Family not vegan

by Ralf Groh
(Gallatin, TN)

I've been an avid vegan for some time. However, lately it's been getting worse and worse in my home for me to practice veganism. All of my family are committed omnivores and will not cut me any slack. One will say they just can't go without meat, another will say it's just not natural, and another feels it is too expensive and time-consuming.

In any case, I feel like I'm falling further and further from my vegan worldview.

Please help me before it's too late!
Ralf

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Sassy Sez: Hi Ralf, my darling I feel your pain. It can be very tough to stick to your vegan guns when everyone around you is non-vegan and simply do not understand where you are coming from.

Hubby Jeff and I have been vegan together all these years which has made things considerably easier than so many vegan have it out there. And if the results of a questionnaire I sent out recently are any indication, the challenge you are having is echoed throughout the entire vegan community.

In fact, I was speaking with my mom about this very topic yesterday, strangely enough. She's been vegan since 1994-1995, and has really had no support whatsoever since the entire family and all of her friends are non-vegan. While everyone has come to accept her choice, in the beginning it was tough.

I asked her, "Mom, when things were so difficult, why didn't you just go back to non-vegan?" Her answer? She so believed that what she was doing was right for her, that there was absolutely no shaking her from her convictions. She absolutely positively would not eat meat again. Period. End of the story.

But as she noted, everyone must find their own way through the "tough times"; there is no one-size-fits-all solution.

One thing I am pretty positive does not work? Trying to "convince" someone else to go vegan. While you may not be trying to convince your family, the mere fact that you ARE vegan can cause them to immediately think you want them to join you. Their defenses come up, and the comments begin as they do their best to convince you that it is a BAD idea. If they can shake you from your roost, they will no longer have to deal with the uncomfortable feelings they are likely experiencing.

Of course, trying to convince you to NOT be vegan is just as bad as convincing someone who is not vegan to go vegan! It is a decision that really must be made by each individual. Because if you don't do it for the right reasons, then you might fall "off the wagon" at the first sign of a challenge to your decision.

Ralf, maybe if you reviewed the WHY you are vegan, you would find the resolve you are looking for. Can you sit your family down and let them know that you are committed to this, and that you need their support? Perhaps if they knew that your decision to be vegan has no bearing on whether or not they become vegan, they might lighten up?

I would love to hear from others out there - and I know there are many of you (!). How do you handle the (usually) inevitable challenge of non-supportive family or friends?

Sending giant hugs to you, Ralf. xo







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Jul 06, 2011
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Hi Sassy and all!
by: Marti O'Brien

Hi...I enjoyed your latest message, as I always do, Sassy.

I was Vegetarian for thirty years, and every once in a while I'd slip over to being vegan for a time..

When I married Mr.X, (we are separated,) all of that went out the window. I really don't know why, and I've stopped trying to figure it out.

He didn't try to get me to go back to being a carnivore...I just did.

These days I eat quite healthy foods...but I do eat chicken and fish.

I would really like to go Vegan, once and for all and for the rest of my days here on this planet... but I don't seem to be able to get it together.

The comment You made to Ralf got me to thinking.

You said that maybe he should look at the reasons that he wanted to become vegan in the first place, as that might help him.

I am going to give that a try.

I'll let You know how I'm doing. :)

,,,,Just a small aside:....Sassy, I have stopped smoking after almost a lifetime, (I will be 69 in August,) of smoking and trying to quit. I started in my early teens.

It was really quite easy. It's been over three months now...I will never, ever go back to that filthy, unhealthy...not to mention expensive habit again!


I am fortunate in my endeavor to go Vegan, as I have total support from my wonderful daughter...who has been vegan for many years...And I have a sister who is vegetarian who is also very supportive of me.

Bye for now, Sassy...I'll let YOu know how I'm doing in my resolve to going back to a healthier way of life.
Hugz....Marti

Jul 06, 2011
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Local Vegetarians
by: Lynne

I was going to suggest that Ralf connect with other vegetarians--or vegans, if there are any--in his area. But then I realized I know nothing about Tennessee; there may not be much available. So I searched "vegan gallatin tn" and quite a few links came up, as well as a list of (supposedly) nearby vegetarian/veg-friendly restaurants. So now I feel safe recommending connecting with others. :-) It's no substitute for having a supportive family, or at least one that leaves you alone about it. But it's always wonderful to have fellow vegetarians/vegans to talk to. Many of them will have had the same problem. Ralf, I'm really sorry that your family is unsupportive. But you have decided that this is the right diet for you, so don't let them sway you. I send supportive hugs!

Jul 06, 2011
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Why the conflict?
by: Nancy F.

Ralf doesn't say who does the cooking in his family, so compromise probably depends on that. I have a friend who is a strict vegetarian (not vegan) and her husband is just as strict a carnivore. They don't harass each other, they just respect each other's choices and prepare meals accordingly. It's up to the vegan person to suggest/provide alternatives for ingredients like broth, cream, butter, etc. but other than that, it shouldn't be too difficult to just not eat the animal-derived part of a meal. If the family harasses based on principle, just smile and say "OK". They're entitled to their opinions.

Jul 06, 2011
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Have to disagree...
by: Jo Tyler

Hi Sassy, I enjoy your site and loved your guest talk during Will Tuttle's World Peace Diet training. However, I am disturbed by your remark that family "trying to convince you to NOT be vegan is just as bad as convincing someone who is not vegan to go vegan!"

A non-vegan (carnist) diet is based in needless violence and the exploitation of other animals simply for human enjoyment and profit. It is, in a word, unethical. If I were to walk into a room and witness my friends and family paying people to confine, mutilate and kill dogs (or babies, for that matter) would you discourage me from urging them to stop? Should I just allow the violence to continue and say, "Ok - well, I guess that's just your choice."

So - how would urging them to go vegan be any different?

Colleen Patrick-Goudreau has written a very eloquent brief essay on the issue of viewing veganism as just a "personal choice"...it's one of my favorites and I hope you will read it (if you haven't already!) http://tinyurl.com/67dwdph

Or, you could listen to the brief podcast, which is terrific. http://tinyurl.com/3c2jjqx

I would be interested to hear your thoughts on this perspective.
Thanks!
:-)
Jo

Jul 07, 2011
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You're not alone Ralf!
by: Debbie / Vermont

My family thinks I'm crazy but I'm enjoying it anyway. It's all about the feeling and I'm sticking with it. Ralf....just be strong and stick up for what YOU want for a way of life. Although my husband stands by me, he is still a meat eater. But, it's my daughter who stands in my face to let me know she LOVES BLOODY MEAT. It just does not bother me anymore. As for help/vegan friends in my area. I'm alone for now and still looking for other Vegans to trade stores/recipes an such! Stand strong Ralf!
As for this site " Vegan Coach "!! I'm in love with it and it's been a huge help to me.
Many Thanks to you Sassy

Jul 07, 2011
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Knock 'Em Over With Delicious Food
by: Adam Ortiz

Totally feel your pain! When my (now) wife and I first started dating, she openly confessed that she didn't know if she could ever be with a vegan longterm. Her concerns were that we were going to eat nothing but peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, and that I would never let anything made out of meat enter our kitchen. I'm kind of stubborn, so at that point I committed myself to learning how to cook amazing meals.

Now, I make vegan dinners six nights a week, and a "certified humane" chicken dish for her as a special treat. I do 100% of the cooking because I got so good at it. With many of my friends, I have found this to also be effective. Since most people associate vegan food with being tasteless or uninventive, a few stellar recipes will show people how delicious it can be. Just last week I got a construction worker friend of mine to eat tofu - which was a major victory.

I also realize the dynamic can be way more difficult with family. If you're living at home, I recommend finding support in the vegan community, even if it's online. And then, some day, you will have a place of your own where you can go vegan crazy.

Hope you're feeling the love!

-Adam

Jul 07, 2011
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Vegan 4 Life
by: amy

I realized that I am not going to convert anyone to veganism by preaching and talking about it. I refuse to compromise my ethics and beliefs, so now whenever i go anywhere if its a pot luck or home party, people always call me to see if they can prepare a vegan food especially for me. Even tho they won't embrace the lifestyle, they always honor me, which is a great start for them. At first i thought i could change people by talking, but i feel they are changing a bit due to my example of great energy, health, my joy, and that being almost 60, I look fantastic too! I have been vegan for 3 years after meeting Will Tuttle of The World Peace Diet, converting from vegetarin for 10 yrs., and becoming vegan was the best decision I ever made. I also recommend The perfect Formula Diet book as well, as it has helped me with my meal planning, and I am loving myself, my friends, my planet, and the world right now! Vegan living glows!

Jul 07, 2011
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Eating Out With Friends
by: Lisa

I understand your pain,...lol.. We have a hard time eating out with friends or having them over for dinner. They don't seem focused on the companionship, they are more focused on "But what will we eat?" I tell them what the menu is going to be and always tell them they are more than welcome to bring a meat or meat dish to augment the meal. They seem to think I will be offended if they do. I am not.

I always cook with each person's allergie,etc. in mind and I don't mind cooking meat for others. Its their choice what they want to eat.

My dad is 92 and he had been heading more and more towards being a vegetarian, but there are times when he wants his meatloaf. So I make it for him. Sometimes it even smells good when I'm making it and then I lick the utensil that I cut it with and I remember one of the reasons why I don't eat it. Once I have gotten away from the meat, I haven't eaten any for almost two years, even the feel of that fat in my mouth turns my stomach.

I don't believe in hurting animals for my sustenance, and I don't believe that I should decide for anyone else what they should believe or eat. If they are curious and ask, I will tell them, but I am not going to bang my head against the wall to convert them.

So Ralf, enjoy your way of eating and your life. You aren't hurting anyone or any animal...

Jul 07, 2011
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I feel your pain!
by: Anonymous

I am not only the sole vegan member of my family, but I am the only vegan I know. I had a vegan coworker (who was actually a big part of my decision to go vegan), but then he gave it up months ago. My wife's best friend gave up vegetarianism after 15 years to go full carnivore as well. That was the last of my support system.

It has become difficult for me as well. I am so tired of not eating at family gatherings, vacations,work events, etc! It is rarely feasible for me to bring my own dish, so I often just have a meal replacement bar (yuck), go hungry until I can get something else, or just skip the event and eat alone. I live in Tennessee as well, and besides Whole Foods, options are few.

I cling to the fact that I am the healthiest I have ever been and I feel great. I know I am doing the right thing for me, I just hate that I am the only one I know that is doing it! Sorry if this sounds whiny :-)

Jul 09, 2011
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Love the honesty
by: Allison

Stay strong! Thanks for being honest about how hard it can be sometimes. I come from a family of hunters and farmers. I have learned to cope by poking fun and being able to be poked at (haha). I go out of my way to make jokes about myself and this makes being vegan feel like permanent institution for me.

Jul 12, 2011
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Sassy Sez...
by: Sassy

Hi everyone -- You are all so fabulous. Thank you for chiming in with your thoughts here in this thread. It is such an important topic, and one that most of us vegans deal with at some point so it is nice to hear the varying thoughts on the subject.

Marti, wow, congratulations on your decision to quit smoking!! That is just the coolest. It sounds like perhaps the healthier way you are eating these days may have had something to do with the ease of it all? Anyway, YES please do check in and let us know how you are doing. Always so nice to have an update. :)

Lynne, that was a good idea. Thanks for checking to see if there is any support nearby Ralf. And of course, others can/should do the same thing in their own neck of the woods when looking for vegan support. Excellent. :)

Great ideas, Nancy. And I absolutely agree -- there is not any reason to "get into it" with people. It can be QUITE an exhausting way to live (believe me, I know from past experience - oy!). Everyone is entitled to their own opinions.

(To be continued...)

Jul 12, 2011
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...Continued
by: Sassy

Jo, great to hear from you, and thank you for the compliment. As far as my comment, perhaps you misread what I was saying. Or maybe I just didn't say it succinctly enough.

While the idea behind veganism might be to save the animals -- and everyone does it for differing reasons of course, from spiritual to environmental to health to weight loss to anti-aging to... -- I was in no way comparing the cruelty and horrors put upon animals to those who choose the opposite route and go veg. I was simply pointing out things from more of a psychological and emotional standpoint of dealing with friends and family.

Please believe me when I say that for years I simply dug in my heels and argued on behalf of the animals, and it simply created a gigantic wedge between myself and family and friends. I believe there is another way to approach things, and that is to lead by example. And that is really what I try to get across here at VeganCoach.com. ;)

Debbie, thank you so much. So happy to have you here as well. xo

Adam, surely you should be a poster child for how to "work" with your friends and family who are non-vegan. I applaud you for your fantastic efforts. It sounds like you have found a way that works for you, and I hope others can take this piece of advice and find a way to apply it to their lives as well. :)

Way to go, Amy!!! I love how leading by example your friends are opening their minds to how they can help you out. That is just such a loving and positive place to come from. And I'm sure you adore them for it. If non-vegans only knew how much it means to their vegan friends and family to be supported they might give it a go, especially if they know there are "no strings attached". Beautiful.

Excellent, Lisa. Reminds me of how when Jeff and I meet new friends who later find out we are vegan. Conversation moves from talking about fun and life and goals and vacations to talking about the politics of food; the age-old arguments come up we have heard 10 bazillion times "We were meant to be carnivores, blah blah blah." I simply say "Ugh! Guys, talking about this stuff is BOR-ING. If you REALLY want to know more, I can recommend a couple books and websites to you." And that is the end of that. Then we go back to talking about fun stuff. :)

To those, like Anonymous, who have no support system, be sure to check out Meetup.com to see if there are any veg groups meeting in your area. Here is one near Nashville, but you can do a search for the largest town/city closest to you.

Love your spirit, Allison. Keep on keepin' on, girlfriend. :) xo

Dec 06, 2011
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We were both vegan until I got pregnant
by: Joell

My husband is still vegan and I am so proud of him, but for some reason I could not stay vegan when I got pregnant. I got really dizzy and felt very shaky. I am now breastfeeding and I still have not converted back but I am able to eat more vegan meals without feeling so sick. My husband complains all the time and it does make me feel bad, but to me he just doesn't understand where I am coming from. He hasn't made an effort to learn how to cook for himself and only prepares the premade foods. So I call him a junk-food vegan. He truly appreciates when I cook him food when I am able to, but I wish that he would make more of an effort to contribute himself. Through this string of comments I am happy to see the thoughts on remembering why your vegan and to make fantastic meals! There is nothing worse than someone preaching to you on why you should be vegan and then complain in the same breath that they are hungry! We have 3 kids and the oldest (8) has a hard time being vegan. So I do cook both meals! I am so burned out of all the variations of shopping, cooking, and plain inconvience of it all! Thank you for the blogs and helping me to get ideas. This website has helped me so much!!!

Dec 07, 2011
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Some thoughts...
by: Sassy

Hi Joell!

Great to hear from you, and congrats on your newest bambino. :)

Firstly, I am so happy you listened to your body and did what you felt was right for you at the time. Some might disagree, of course. But they can start their own website. :)

Now that you are slowly but surely checking out vegan again, I just want to be sure you and your family are getting the nutrients you need. Be sure to study this page of my site: http://www.vegancoach.com/vegan-nutrition.html

Now, let's talk about your hubby. When Jeff and I went vegan (him first!), we were completely and totally lost. Neither one of us could cook worth a damn. But since he was a full-time entertainer, and I was self-employed, it sort of landed on my shoulders to learn how to cook. ESPECIALLY because back in '94 there were really no restaurants we could get vegan grub at, and certainly very little to choose from in the frozen aisle of our little co-op.

So since I learned the ropes, I just stuck with it. Then one day, Jeff made some soup. And it was AMAAAAAZINGLY good. He then became our soup guy in the colder months. But that is ALL he would/could make.

But what else was he doing? He was able to go into the fridge (usually late at night) and pull out leftovers -- a little bit of this, a little bit of that, and make some really good tasting dishes! He would tell me about them when I'd wake up (yes, these are the things that excite us - ha!).

So once in a while when I was too busy or tired I'd ask him to whip something up. And I'll be damned if every dish he made wasn't superbly good!

So that's sort of how Jeff got interested in cooking. Now he is our "bean" guy and our "rice" guy. And when I get really busy and really tired, he is still able to hop into the kitchen to make some really great dishes.

So where am I going with all of this? I wonder if perhaps it would be helpful to ask your hubby to take charge of ONE thing in the kitchen. Ask him to watch Jeff's beans video, and he can be the bean guy in your family: http://www.vegancoach.com/how-to-cook-beans.html Or the rice guy: http://www.vegancoach.com/brown-rice-recipes.html Or he can do the shoppping (that's another thing Jeff does).

Mostly, it sounds as if you guys need to sit down and have a chat and divide up some of these chores a little more evenly

Hope this helps. And hope others will chime in with their ideas as well. :) xo


Mar 25, 2012
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I need Help
by: Heidi Dickson

Hi Everyone,

I want to be a vegan or a vegetarian, but I need help in doing that. My almost 12 year old daughter always makes fun of me when ever she eats a hamburger saying look at this yummy cow your missing out on it is so yummy. And then my Mom who I have to live with by court order due to my daughters abusive father sits there and my Mom will look at my daughter and instead of telling her not to do it she will laugh with Makayla.

My Mom says that she can't understand why I say the things I do about why I don't eat meat anymore for as now I got Makayla not to eat hotdogs. My daughter Makayla wouldn't eat hotdogs way before I decided to do this and I asked her why and Makayla says every time she eats a hot dog she feels something pop in her mouth. So I told my cousin Lee that and he says maybe it is an eyeball and Makayla says how do you know it isn't one or two so she won't eat it.

But they make fun of me all the time when they eat meat and I need your help.

I also need help because I am not sure if I can be considered such if I cook or buy meat for my family or buy or cook anything that consist of dairy or meat or fish or poultry or fowl, can I?

I need guidance on all of this.

I also need help in knowing which is better for me to do whether vegan or vegetarian. I haven't eating meat, poultry or fowl or fish for a while and I have cut way back on dairy products as well. Please help me.

I hope to hear back from someone or more than one person would be OK.

Heidi Dickson

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